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	<description>Stay Curious.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Michael Graham Richard</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2732</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Graham Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Irrational thoughts produce irrational outcomes … and your point is?"

The point is that it's not always so easy to know when our thoughts are irrational, and it can happen even to brilliant people. It requires some effort and vigilance to avoid that trap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Irrational thoughts produce irrational outcomes … and your point is?&#8221;</p>
<p>The point is that it&#8217;s not always so easy to know when our thoughts are irrational, and it can happen even to brilliant people. It requires some effort and vigilance to avoid that trap.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by John Colquhoun</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2731</link>
		<dc:creator>John Colquhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irrational thoughts produce irrational outcomes ... and your point is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irrational thoughts produce irrational outcomes &#8230; and your point is?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Homepage Feature Request: Gmail Unread Emails Notifier by Michael Graham Richard</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/17/google-homepage-feature-request-gmail-unread-emails-notifier/#comment-2728</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Graham Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If speed is an issue, they could probably allow the feature to be disabled, or code the page in such a way that everything else loads without waiting for that number (which could pop a few fractions of seconds later, whatever - wouldn't make it any less usable).

It certainly would be a smaller hit on performance than switching to the iGoogle page (which is fast anyway, but relatively more bandwidth intensive).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If speed is an issue, they could probably allow the feature to be disabled, or code the page in such a way that everything else loads without waiting for that number (which could pop a few fractions of seconds later, whatever - wouldn&#8217;t make it any less usable).</p>
<p>It certainly would be a smaller hit on performance than switching to the iGoogle page (which is fast anyway, but relatively more bandwidth intensive).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Homepage Feature Request: Gmail Unread Emails Notifier by astartupaday</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/17/google-homepage-feature-request-gmail-unread-emails-notifier/#comment-2727</link>
		<dc:creator>astartupaday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea, but given Google's fanatical focus on keeping the main search page as fast and simple as possible, I'm guessing they probably wouldn't ever implement this.  I do wish that the major web sites would allow for customizable versions of their core products so we could choose to sacrifice a bit of speed for features like this, if we wanted to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea, but given Google&#8217;s fanatical focus on keeping the main search page as fast and simple as possible, I&#8217;m guessing they probably wouldn&#8217;t ever implement this.  I do wish that the major web sites would allow for customizable versions of their core products so we could choose to sacrifice a bit of speed for features like this, if we wanted to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Homepage Feature Request: Gmail Unread Emails Notifier by Michael Graham Richard</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/17/google-homepage-feature-request-gmail-unread-emails-notifier/#comment-2726</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Graham Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Liam,

Thanks for the suggestion. 

I suppose that would work, though I've always stuck with the "regular" Google homepage because I prefer it to iGoogle. I think even iGoogle would benefit from that simple notifier -- it would take much less space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Liam,</p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestion. </p>
<p>I suppose that would work, though I&#8217;ve always stuck with the &#8220;regular&#8221; Google homepage because I prefer it to iGoogle. I think even iGoogle would benefit from that simple notifier &#8212; it would take much less space.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Homepage Feature Request: Gmail Unread Emails Notifier by liamkinnon</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/17/google-homepage-feature-request-gmail-unread-emails-notifier/#comment-2725</link>
		<dc:creator>liamkinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google has the customizable homepage option where you can have a widget of your inbox.  Check out iGoogle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google has the customizable homepage option where you can have a widget of your inbox.  Check out iGoogle.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Savvas Dalkitsis</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2723</link>
		<dc:creator>Savvas Dalkitsis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story is not very accurate... Actually it IS accurate in the sense that it accurately perpetuates an urban myth about Pythagoras and this event. The truth is as follows (at least the accepted truth by the scientific community):

The Pythagoreans were a science "cult" that followed the teachings of Pythagoras who described everything as rational quantities. They were a group that believed that science was meant only for the chosen few and that commoners should have nothing to do with it. 

When one of their students (could be Hippasus but no one is sure) discovered that the square root of two was not rational they decided that no one was to know of this since their world view would be incomplete. It remains as a question whether the one who made the discovery was killed or not.

To say "However, Pythagoras was unwilling to accept that he was wrong", i think undermines the genius that was Pythagoras because the truth of the proof that the student found was SO obvious no one would dare to deny its validity. The proof is so elementary that even school children can understand it.
&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root_of_2#Proofs_of_irrationality" rel="nofollow"&gt; Wikipedia proof &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story is not very accurate&#8230; Actually it IS accurate in the sense that it accurately perpetuates an urban myth about Pythagoras and this event. The truth is as follows (at least the accepted truth by the scientific community):</p>
<p>The Pythagoreans were a science &#8220;cult&#8221; that followed the teachings of Pythagoras who described everything as rational quantities. They were a group that believed that science was meant only for the chosen few and that commoners should have nothing to do with it. </p>
<p>When one of their students (could be Hippasus but no one is sure) discovered that the square root of two was not rational they decided that no one was to know of this since their world view would be incomplete. It remains as a question whether the one who made the discovery was killed or not.</p>
<p>To say &#8220;However, Pythagoras was unwilling to accept that he was wrong&#8221;, i think undermines the genius that was Pythagoras because the truth of the proof that the student found was SO obvious no one would dare to deny its validity. The proof is so elementary that even school children can understand it.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root_of_2#Proofs_of_irrationality" rel="nofollow"> Wikipedia proof </a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Matt</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2718</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This "property" of science has always been.  Interesting that you pointed out such an early (ancient, even) example of it.

The inability to accept change and challenges to theorems is a barrier not only to the introduction and propagation of new ideas, it even keeps individuals from growing and learning themselves.  It's a symptom of comfort:  if an idea or a state is comfortable and then is challenged, it shakes things up and makes then not so comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;property&#8221; of science has always been.  Interesting that you pointed out such an early (ancient, even) example of it.</p>
<p>The inability to accept change and challenges to theorems is a barrier not only to the introduction and propagation of new ideas, it even keeps individuals from growing and learning themselves.  It&#8217;s a symptom of comfort:  if an idea or a state is comfortable and then is challenged, it shakes things up and makes then not so comfortable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by drblsharma</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2712</link>
		<dc:creator>drblsharma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story you have narrated here is very interesting and tells about the ancient time when human values were concentrated around the power.
Hyppasus and Pythagoras were the heroes of that time. The teacher or the masters were the over all omnipotent of the situation. Therefore, the time was different from the present .We should not compere that one.
However, to accept and reject the version whatever it may be, is the time factor. It is the teachers`view that what he holds in his mind. This situtation can be noticed even today where research student has to follow his teacher or otherwise he has to suffer. That, does not mean that everywhere it happens. In higher education,  mostly in Universities,  you can find as such situation where good as well as bad masters are there. A good teacher always supports and accepts his students version. 
Therefore, on the basis of the biased attitude of the teacher one should not be dejected and leave the study. It is a human nature, that you can find every where.Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story you have narrated here is very interesting and tells about the ancient time when human values were concentrated around the power.<br />
Hyppasus and Pythagoras were the heroes of that time. The teacher or the masters were the over all omnipotent of the situation. Therefore, the time was different from the present .We should not compere that one.<br />
However, to accept and reject the version whatever it may be, is the time factor. It is the teachers`view that what he holds in his mind. This situtation can be noticed even today where research student has to follow his teacher or otherwise he has to suffer. That, does not mean that everywhere it happens. In higher education,  mostly in Universities,  you can find as such situation where good as well as bad masters are there. A good teacher always supports and accepts his students version.<br />
Therefore, on the basis of the biased attitude of the teacher one should not be dejected and leave the study. It is a human nature, that you can find every where.Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Anton Olsen.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookmarks for November 16th</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2711</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Olsen.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookmarks for November 16th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217; Student&#8230;&#8220;That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.&#8221; - P. C. Hodgell [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just be Glad You Aren&rsquo;t Pythagoras&rsquo; Student&hellip;&ldquo;That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.&rdquo; - P. C. Hodgell [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Richmond</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2710</link>
		<dc:creator>Richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's what happens to know-it-all students... hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what happens to know-it-all students&#8230; hehe.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by arwansp</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2709</link>
		<dc:creator>arwansp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dont know what to say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dont know what to say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Pythagorophile</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2708</link>
		<dc:creator>Pythagorophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Wikipedia:

But there are two other stories about Hippasus. The first says that Hippasus was expelled from the Pythagorean school because he published doctrines of Pythagoras, while the second says that he was drowned at sea for revealing the construction of the dodecahedron in the sphere and claiming it as his own. But since the Pythagoreans' supposed pledge to secrecy was most likely false, the authenticity of these stories is questioned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Wikipedia:</p>
<p>But there are two other stories about Hippasus. The first says that Hippasus was expelled from the Pythagorean school because he published doctrines of Pythagoras, while the second says that he was drowned at sea for revealing the construction of the dodecahedron in the sphere and claiming it as his own. But since the Pythagoreans&#8217; supposed pledge to secrecy was most likely false, the authenticity of these stories is questioned</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Patty</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2707</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Hippasus.html

Different story here.</description>
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<p>Different story here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by artemisinin</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>artemisinin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lord... focus on the content of the article. Minor grammar mistakes are irrelevant. Pointing them out makes you look, well, like an obnoxious tubesteak.

Awesome post. I just wonder how Pythagoras was able to sentence Hippasus to death? Was Hippasus his slave? Or was Pythagoras able to sentence his students to death? Would love to know more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord&#8230; focus on the content of the article. Minor grammar mistakes are irrelevant. Pointing them out makes you look, well, like an obnoxious tubesteak.</p>
<p>Awesome post. I just wonder how Pythagoras was able to sentence Hippasus to death? Was Hippasus his slave? Or was Pythagoras able to sentence his students to death? Would love to know more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by hefty</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2705</link>
		<dc:creator>hefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wrong.

rule #1: im #1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrong.</p>
<p>rule #1: im #1</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by thedaythatidie</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2703</link>
		<dc:creator>thedaythatidie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess i'm lucky. i never knew that story before. interesting. no student deserves to be "pythagorassed".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess i&#8217;m lucky. i never knew that story before. interesting. no student deserves to be &#8220;pythagorassed&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Humans Have Not Evolved to Intuitively Understand Complexity by Tim Plodinec</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/09/19/humans-have-not-evolved-to-intuitively-understand-complexity/#comment-2702</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Plodinec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try Genesis 1. It really helped me in understanding all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Genesis 1. It really helped me in understanding all this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by wow</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2701</link>
		<dc:creator>wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incorrect grammar nazis are the most pathetic creatures on God's green Earth.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Hugh O'Malley</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2700</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh O'Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off with his head!!! have him drowned for dodgy punctuation...</description>
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		<title>Comment on I am on Yahoo&#8217;s Front Page by Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/10/16/i-am-on-yahoos-front-page/#comment-2699</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>congrstd, what an achievement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>congrstd, what an achievement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by David</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2698</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the quote Richard - found you via reddit.com.  Very insightful.  Have you read Kuhn's "Structure of Scientific Revolutions"?  It follows along the same lines.

Don't worry about the above comments - the truth is, MOST native speakers don't know how to do that particular proper punctuation.  Your English is fine :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the quote Richard - found you via reddit.com.  Very insightful.  Have you read Kuhn&#8217;s &#8220;Structure of Scientific Revolutions&#8221;?  It follows along the same lines.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about the above comments - the truth is, MOST native speakers don&#8217;t know how to do that particular proper punctuation.  Your English is fine <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Well Played</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2697</link>
		<dc:creator>Well Played</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you missed it, MGR's reaction to the first two responses is a small example of the virtue described in his post. Hodgell would be proud.

Also, I'm impressed with how quickly Godwin's Law played out.... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you missed it, MGR&#8217;s reaction to the first two responses is a small example of the virtue described in his post. Hodgell would be proud.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m impressed with how quickly Godwin&#8217;s Law played out&#8230;. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Keri</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2696</link>
		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being a grammar nazi, I was focusing on the crux of your story.  I had never heard this about Pythagoras, but I found it to be an extremely timely story to read.  I have been trying to understand the nature of people's hatred of change.  This is an excellent allegory to use when entering a debate about change.  

By the way, I am also thankful for the quote you put at the end of your article.  I've been looking for something along that lines to counter an email signature quote of a colleague.  I didn't want to be brutal about it, and this has the subtlety I needed. 

Interesting.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being a grammar nazi, I was focusing on the crux of your story.  I had never heard this about Pythagoras, but I found it to be an extremely timely story to read.  I have been trying to understand the nature of people&#8217;s hatred of change.  This is an excellent allegory to use when entering a debate about change.  </p>
<p>By the way, I am also thankful for the quote you put at the end of your article.  I&#8217;ve been looking for something along that lines to counter an email signature quote of a colleague.  I didn&#8217;t want to be brutal about it, and this has the subtlety I needed. </p>
<p>Interesting.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Michael Graham Richard</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2695</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Graham Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks guys. English is my second language and I still make these kinds of mistakes from time to time. Fixed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks guys. English is my second language and I still make these kinds of mistakes from time to time. Fixed it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by Pythagoras's</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2694</link>
		<dc:creator>Pythagoras's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rule #1 of Strunk and White: always form the possessive of singular nouns with 's.  The only exception, which should be avoided, is ancient names that end in -is or -es (which Pythagoras does not).

http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#1

Some people have no appreciation for the classics...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rule #1 of Strunk and White: always form the possessive of singular nouns with &#8217;s.  The only exception, which should be avoided, is ancient names that end in -is or -es (which Pythagoras does not).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#1" rel="nofollow">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#1</a></p>
<p>Some people have no appreciation for the classics&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just be Glad You Aren&#8217;t Pythagoras&#8217;s Student&#8230; by grammar-nazi</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/11/15/just-be-glad-you-arent-pythagoras-student/#comment-2693</link>
		<dc:creator>grammar-nazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I didn't know "Pythagoras" was plural.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Humans are Tone Deaf to Probabilistic Reasoning by Michael Graham Richard</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/10/30/most-people-are-tone-deaf-to-probabilities/#comment-2661</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Graham Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I agree. I don’t agree with one aspect of your thesis, however. Namely, that ‘training in physics”somehow immunizes a person from errors in probabilistic reasoning."

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant that we don't expect someone who hasn't studied physics to be any good at PHYSICS, so why do we expect someone who has never studied probabilistic thinking to be any good at that. 

I'll check out the works you suggested, thanks. I'm very interested in cognitive biases and heuristics. I actually have "Judgement under Uncertainty" (the Kahnemann/Tversky/Slovic book) on my desk, but I haven't read it yet. I also have "Rational Choice in an Uncertain World" by Dawes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree. I don’t agree with one aspect of your thesis, however. Namely, that ‘training in physics”somehow immunizes a person from errors in probabilistic reasoning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry if I wasn&#8217;t clear. I meant that we don&#8217;t expect someone who hasn&#8217;t studied physics to be any good at PHYSICS, so why do we expect someone who has never studied probabilistic thinking to be any good at that. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll check out the works you suggested, thanks. I&#8217;m very interested in cognitive biases and heuristics. I actually have &#8220;Judgement under Uncertainty&#8221; (the Kahnemann/Tversky/Slovic book) on my desk, but I haven&#8217;t read it yet. I also have &#8220;Rational Choice in an Uncertain World&#8221; by Dawes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Humans are Tone Deaf to Probabilistic Reasoning by Bottlerocket</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/10/30/most-people-are-tone-deaf-to-probabilities/#comment-2660</link>
		<dc:creator>Bottlerocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  I don't agree with one aspect of your thesis, however.  Namely, that 'training in physics"somehow immunizes a person from errors in probabilistic reasoning.  Scientific training helps with, but in no way assures,  correct reasoning skills.  You should refer to the work of Daniel Kahnemann and Amos Tversky for more on this topic.  Or, check the research on medical errors.  You'll find that medical training in no way immunizes doctors from errors in probability estimation.  
They are psychologists whose work not only point out the difficulties people have with probabilistic reasoning, but also the reasons why people have those difficulties.  My favority is the availability heuristic--the more vivid an event is, the great the weight we give it--because its "vividness" makes that event highly available in memory.  Kahnemann won the Nobel Prize in Economics for his work.  I think it would add to your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I don&#8217;t agree with one aspect of your thesis, however.  Namely, that &#8216;training in physics&#8221;somehow immunizes a person from errors in probabilistic reasoning.  Scientific training helps with, but in no way assures,  correct reasoning skills.  You should refer to the work of Daniel Kahnemann and Amos Tversky for more on this topic.  Or, check the research on medical errors.  You&#8217;ll find that medical training in no way immunizes doctors from errors in probability estimation.<br />
They are psychologists whose work not only point out the difficulties people have with probabilistic reasoning, but also the reasons why people have those difficulties.  My favority is the availability heuristic&#8211;the more vivid an event is, the great the weight we give it&#8211;because its &#8220;vividness&#8221; makes that event highly available in memory.  Kahnemann won the Nobel Prize in Economics for his work.  I think it would add to your argument.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Humans are Tone Deaf to Probabilistic Reasoning by jes</title>
		<link>http://michaelgr.com/2008/10/30/most-people-are-tone-deaf-to-probabilities/#comment-2659</link>
		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much of our intuitive abilities are based on embodied cognition (Lakeoff) it makes sense that we would not have more intuition about probabilities than can be literally gained from simple child's play and experience.  

It would be interesting to trace out what learned, embodied metaphors are the basis for what types of probability we *are* good at and them examine how we either 1) might map our badly intuited cases to existing metaphors (essentially forms a systematic teaching method for important but hard to intuit probabilities) or 2) construct alterations to childhood environments that could generate the metaphors that would aid our badly intuited probabilities.

I'll only involve the name of "Nassim Taleb" and "Black Swan" this once but he gives the simple example of how we might have bad rare probability estimation because we may use our intuitions based on embodied metaphors of area (R = p * C, after all) which breakdown when the area is formed by a long, skinny rectangle because we are bad at estimating physical dimensions that vastly exceed our physical body scope of distance.  We can estimate "yards", "feet" and "cubits" well because these are based on our body lengths but longer distances are not.

The key probability probably of most interest is a power-law probability.  This can be "reduced" to a straight line with a logarithm but we don't have a natural intuition for logarithms - there is no embodied metaphor that captures it.  In fact, there is no simply embodied metaphor for multiplication or division either (Lakeoff co-wrote a book on mathematics and embodied metaphors - don't have my copy handy).  Part of the problem is the simple visualization of "powers of ten" but then it also needs a linkage to "cause-and-effect" and "time arrow" metaphors in some way.  Again our intuitions of time are very badly constrained to scales as narrow as length.  Realistically that's between about 1 second on the low end and maybe a few minutes for most people to at most an hour on the population tail - everything else outside this range is "tool-aided" and abstracted learned understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much of our intuitive abilities are based on embodied cognition (Lakeoff) it makes sense that we would not have more intuition about probabilities than can be literally gained from simple child&#8217;s play and experience.  </p>
<p>It would be interesting to trace out what learned, embodied metaphors are the basis for what types of probability we *are* good at and them examine how we either 1) might map our badly intuited cases to existing metaphors (essentially forms a systematic teaching method for important but hard to intuit probabilities) or 2) construct alterations to childhood environments that could generate the metaphors that would aid our badly intuited probabilities.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll only involve the name of &#8220;Nassim Taleb&#8221; and &#8220;Black Swan&#8221; this once but he gives the simple example of how we might have bad rare probability estimation because we may use our intuitions based on embodied metaphors of area (R = p * C, after all) which breakdown when the area is formed by a long, skinny rectangle because we are bad at estimating physical dimensions that vastly exceed our physical body scope of distance.  We can estimate &#8220;yards&#8221;, &#8220;feet&#8221; and &#8220;cubits&#8221; well because these are based on our body lengths but longer distances are not.</p>
<p>The key probability probably of most interest is a power-law probability.  This can be &#8220;reduced&#8221; to a straight line with a logarithm but we don&#8217;t have a natural intuition for logarithms - there is no embodied metaphor that captures it.  In fact, there is no simply embodied metaphor for multiplication or division either (Lakeoff co-wrote a book on mathematics and embodied metaphors - don&#8217;t have my copy handy).  Part of the problem is the simple visualization of &#8220;powers of ten&#8221; but then it also needs a linkage to &#8220;cause-and-effect&#8221; and &#8220;time arrow&#8221; metaphors in some way.  Again our intuitions of time are very badly constrained to scales as narrow as length.  Realistically that&#8217;s between about 1 second on the low end and maybe a few minutes for most people to at most an hour on the population tail - everything else outside this range is &#8220;tool-aided&#8221; and abstracted learned understanding.</p>
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